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A woman becomes Archbishop of Canterbury—and the sky does not fall
A stormy weekend, a stalled roller coaster, and a headline that shook timelines: a woman is appointed Archbishop of Canterbury. We sit with the reaction—celebration, anxiety, and everything in between—and trace a wiser route through the noise by asking better questions. What do scripture, history, and healing leadership actually reveal about authority, service, and the future of the Church?
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Coffee Pods, a podcast of the Acorn Christian Healing Foundation, exploring what's happening in the world through the lens of Christian Healing.
SPEAKER_02:Fantastic. It doesn't feel like a crisis here in Gothenburg, Sweden today.
SPEAKER_01:It doesn't look like it with that beautiful background.
SPEAKER_02:The sun has finally come back out. Yeah, yeah. The uh the now that the background is sadly a picture, but just to my left um is the city of Gothenburg. I'm actually in a um a flat the here in at St. Andrew's Church, and uh and it's really beautiful overlooking the whole of of Gothenburg. I can even see Lisaber or Lisaburg amusement park just on the horizon over there with a couple of roller coasters calling my name.
SPEAKER_01:You hear them whispering, dude.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, they're saying, come right. Although you know, I woke up and there was a storm that came through. It came from England and ended up hitting here this weekend. The roller coasters were still operational on Saturday, and the winds were so bad that one of the roller coasters stalled and they had to rescue the people on the coaster. And so everybody's like, what fool gets on a roller coaster in the middle of a terrible storm? And I'm like, guilty. That would be me. I wasn't there on Saturday, but it if if hadn't had things to do, I probably would have been. So there are crisis things happening around the world a whole lot more than than whether the winds are blowing in an amusement park. But um I thought maybe we could talk on our coffee pod today about um about the crisis of women being in charge of the church. A lot of crisis, eh? Oh my goodness. I I I woke up uh when the announcement of the appointment of Sarah Mulaley as the new Archbishop of Canterbury, and I've never heard such whinging and wailing.
SPEAKER_00:And for the first time in nearly 500 years of history, the Church of England has nominated a woman to lead it.
SPEAKER_02:From all over the place on my social media feed, I mean you you really would have thought that uh uh the world was coming to an end. And I thought, well, maybe, you know, we did talk at the academy about healing and crisis, and he and I and maybe this is not really fair to um to go from things like war and famine and displacement to talking about the appointment of a woman to lead the church. I mean, it's not even in the same category, but um, maybe some of the ways we go about talking about women's ministry today can help you to contextualize your understanding of the bigger issues and the bigger points of crisis in in the world. Um, but let's talk about women.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and we did, I mean, we did a podcast recently, didn't we, on women in leadership and in uh ministry. And then for disappointment to come out, um disappointment, I just realized that sounded like I said, disappointment.
SPEAKER_02:Some it is a disappointment.
SPEAKER_01:Some it is, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Some it's a cause of great celebration.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and I know that we we at Acorn are celebrating, aren't we? And I know that um there's a lot of people who are who are celebrating this wonderful news, but there are things within the church like this division over gender, sexuality, that people would call a cr they would call it a crisis.
SPEAKER_02:They yeah, and for you know, I think for them it is. I think sometimes what is a personal crisis for people becomes a projected crisis on the world. And so we say, I'm having this personal crisis, and it's an identity crisis, or it's a crisis of culture, that I was raised believing that this was the way things are, and now I'm being told that we live in a world where most of the people in the world don't agree with the things that I believe in. So it is a crisis between self and world, and so what we then do is we project all of that internal strife and crisis out into the world, and we wait for the world to cry back to us, and you know, so we find our echo chamber where we can go and find like-minded individuals who are all saying today, there is no way that a woman should be in leadership in the Christian church. And so here we are with people um talking about schism or schism, depending on how you pronounce it, the division of the church. You know, the church has been dividing and dividing since its beginning. And uh, wouldn't it be nice if it was uh a national story that something happened that would bring us together?
SPEAKER_01:Absolutely. And there was a wonderful quote from Bishop Sarah. I know that lots of different quotes will come out that she said for different media stories, but she said that we are witnessing hatred that rises up through fractures across our communities. I know that the God who is with us draws near that draws near to those who suffer.
SPEAKER_02:Isn't that encouraging? I mean, you want the person who's put in leadership to to point you to to Christ, not to point to self. And uh, and I mean, I am totally biased because you know I have a license in the Diocese of London, so she is one of my three bishops that I work for, and and I really think the world of of Bishop Sarah. In many ways, she's one of the reasons why we're back in the UK. Um, and I don't know if I told you this, but a few weeks ago I finally got the uh an appointment. Um I was supposed to go see her, and they finally sent me an appointment. So in a couple of weeks, I'm supposed to go sit down with her for an hour. I think our our conversation may change a little bit now that um she's off to uh to at least she's coming south of the river, you know, because Lambeth is actually in Southwark uh diocese. So um, but I'm I'm so excited because I think that she really um she embodies the message of Jesus Christ in a way that not many who are in leadership in the global church uh do at the moment. You know, she she knows how the politics work, but she also has a deep, deep faith in the living God, and I think that's uh that's exciting. I think I'm I'm gonna talk about Acorn with her for sure, and uh how maybe what we do with Acorn and the idea of bringing healing and listening and reconciliation to the whole church is something that could be truly part of her early days as Archbishop of Canterbury. I think, boy, does the church need reconciliation now more than ever.
SPEAKER_01:It really does, Chris. And actually, just as you were talking about her being somebody who embodies uh Christ, another, I know this is gonna sound really extreme, but another person who I thought did that was Queen Elizabeth. Um someone who just uh had this faith uh in Christ, in God, and it showed in their behavior. And I think that's something that we're gonna see from Bishop Sarah. I hope we will anyway.
SPEAKER_02:You know, I've I've had so many people moaning about um having a woman as the head of the church. You know, how can Sarah Malally be the head of the church? We can't have a woman in charge. And then I I kind of, and maybe I wasn't very nice about this, but I wrote back and I said, You do realize that you're almost your entire lifetime, you've had a woman as the head of the church. And they were like, What do you mean? I said, Well, technically, as Anglicans, the Queen is the head of church, not the Archbishop of Canterbury. There are instruments of unity that hold Anglicans together. But I said, you've been operating under the authority of a woman since Queen Elizabeth took the throne. And so all this kind of rage over the last uh three days about having a woman as Archbishop of Canterbury, you should have been raging on about Queen Elizabeth because technically she was in charge of your church. So we really don't have a big cultural shift here. We just have a new person who's assuming a role where women have not been before, which I find exciting and not frightening. I don't see it as a crisis, I see it as a fantastic opportunity to uh to kind of move the church forward in a wonderful and positive way.
SPEAKER_01:And with your history head on, Chris, um, because I think you're great at reminding us of a lot of important history, um, could you lead us through some of the timeline of women being in ordained ministry, just to also bring some more context to how we've got to where we are today.
SPEAKER_02:Sure, sure. So you you basically have I put some notes in front of me that um since the fourth century, there I mean, and even before, um you have women walking with the disciples with Jesus. So there's women around in the stories in the Bible. Um you know the idea that women don't show up at all in scripture is not true. And you have Phoebe mentioned in Romans 16 um as one of the early deaconesses of the church. So we we don't know the complete detail of how women served, but we know they're there. We know that the first person who announced the resurrection of Jesus was not a man, it was a woman. The angel appeared to Mary at the tomb, and then she went and told the others. So women are have been at the heart of the story of Jesus since the beginning. And then in the Middle Ages, I know we talked about Hildegard and we talked about um Theresa of Avila and other women who have uh prayed and been the leaders of monastic communities, but there was no formal ordination for them, as this was restricted to men in those days. The the church was very much a male institution, but you could argue that's a a human thing, not a divine thing. And then all of a sudden in 1853, a woman named Antoinette Brown, Antoinette Brown, it's a good name to remember. Yeah, she's the first woman ordained in a recognized Christian denomination. This was the Congregational Church in the United States, Antoinette Brown. And then in 1917, another woman named Constance Coleman becomes the first woman who was ordained in the mainstream in a mainstream British denomination. So Constance is the name to remember in in UK circles for the first woman. Antoinette is the first woman globally. Um the first Anglican, because I know I'm an Anglican priest, so I tend to have a bit of a bias toward the Anglican church, um, Florence Lee Timoy, and I hope I pronounced her last name right. I just knew her as Mother Florence. She was the first woman who was ordained an Anglican priest. Now, this was in 1944 in Hong Kong, and it was in the time of war. Um, so some people you'll you'll see. I've seen uh fantastic icons of of Reverend Florence as the first woman priest. Um and then you have the the irregular ordination in 1974 that some people talk about in the Episcopal Church in the United States. Um there were 11 women who were irregularly ordained, um, which means it kind of was outside the the rules because people were kind of fed up with waiting for women to be able to be ordained. Finally, in 1976 in the United States, the Episcopal Church sort of embraced women's ministry. Now, can you believe it took us until 1992? Um, I was actually in seminary at the time when the Church of England finally voted to ordain women as priests. I mean, my own wife, when she was first called into the ministry, was not able to tick the box that said priest, rather, she had to tick the box that said deaconess. Um, so this is a fairly new development in our lifetime.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And then again, fast forward to 2014, um, finally the Church of England allows women to be bishops. In the church in Libby Lane, the wonderful Bishop Libby Lane, becomes the first female bishop in the Church of England. And so that's the kind of um the arc uh of history that has brought us to this moment in 2025 when Bishop Sarah, Bishop of London, is um appointed the first female Archbishop of Canterbury. Now, her service is going to be fantastic. I mean, they the the service of of the archbishop is always quite stunning and and beautiful and historic and the present present presenting of the crozier and all the different uh vestments and things which put her in line with uh Saint Augustine and and all the way down through the the years. Um, you know, she's she's a great person. She was a she was a nurse. Um then she became chief nursing officer, so she certain certainly knows a little bit about managing people. And uh that was her background before she was called into the ministry. And um she's been the Bishop of London since 2018. I served under her predecessor, uh Bishop Richard Sharters, but she's done a wonderful job since 2018. And everybody who works for her says, you know, she's really known for per being a person of integrity and compassion, um, advocacy for women, for the LGBTQ community. She's she just loves people and loves God. Um I think one story I could share is that when my friend friends' church uh burned to the ground in uh in the middle of London, um, she told me that Bishop Sarah was there the next day, that she you know she was on the ground and actually attended the service. They they decided to continue to have church that next Sunday in their back garden. And the Bishop of London was there in the grass in the back garden worshiping with the people of this church in in uh Hamilton Terrace. It it's I think it's an indication of what kind of person she is, not what kind of priest or bishop she is, but she's just a good person, and um and I think boy, that's what we need in in the office, the you know, the highest office in the global Anglican church is a person of of integrity and and a decent person.
SPEAKER_01:We really do, we do, and and she has said as well that she said, I want to encourage the church to grow in confidence in the gospel, to speak of the love we find in Jesus Christ and for it to shape our actions. I think that's just wonderful, knowing that that's part of her heart for not just the country, but just for just for the world.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, and I I worked for um Stephen Cottrell, who's the Archbishop of York. I I had a license with him when he was the Bishop of Reading many, many moons ago before he even went to Chelmsford. Um, and he described Sarah, um, who he knows very, very well. Um he said Sarah is a person of huge courage, wisdom, integrity, and experience. And and I really trust uh Bishop Stephen or Archbishop Stephen's judgment. He's such a uh uh really grounded person, and um and of course we're talking about a lot of this kind of as Anglicans, you know, I'm I'm a priest in the Anglican Church. There will be many listening to this podcast who are not Anglicans, who are not perhaps you're Roman Catholic, perhaps you're Baptist uh or Reformed or Presbyterian. Um everybody has to come at these issues um in their own tradition and come to their own conclusions. I think what's really sad is when people who are outside of one tradition try and throw mud at another tradition or say, you're wrong and we're right. And I wouldn't want Roman Catholics to attack Anglicans. And the same way when the Pope was um was chosen in the Roman Catholic Church as an Anglican, I celebrated uh the new Pope and I wished him well, and I was really excited to hear good things about him. So again, it it's not about being judgy and finger pointing, um, but it's you know it's kind of like we can celebrate, you know, like the Bishop of Manchester said, there is no glass ceiling, stained glass ceiling anymore. And um I think that's cause for celebration, and certainly for young girls and young women who are thinking about the church and to think um the church uh loves me fully and wants my service fully. It doesn't expect me to go sit in the kitchen and make babies and and be subservient to men.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah, definitely. Um well that's let's get into some biblical stuff, some biblical foundations. Uh there's also a um bit of scripture I think would be really good to look at and get your view on. Um, but we've we've kind of touched on this a little bit in a previous episode of Women in Ministry, but um there's Deborah, isn't there, who was uh just thinking about some of the leaders um that we can see who was a prophetess, a judge. Who else have we uh who have we got on our notes to look at?
SPEAKER_02:Well, I mentioned Phoebe, but then there's also Priscilla. Yeah and Priscilla and Aquila are two names that you you may recognize from scripture from from Acts 18. And then, of course, Miriam, we we hear about in Exodus, and uh we remember how they decided to cast her in the Ten Commandments movie. Um but she was a worship leader. Miriam was, and then I love the fact that yesterday I was um preaching here in Gothenburg in Sweden, and uh in the uh I guess it was the first letter of Timothy, it was the second lesson for in the lectionary yesterday. Uh Paul is actually uh referencing Timothy's mother and grandmother in the reading as being devout and and religious people. These two, there's so many names that when you were younger, you you had lots of eunus, eunises and Lois um in society. There are not that many people that have the name Lois or Eunice anymore, and and that was Timothy's mother and grandmother's name as mentioned in the Bible passage from Sunday. So women, women are there, they're in the story. I think part of the problem is that men were the ones recording the stories. If you're the one writing an account of what you saw, who who's gonna get noticed? It's gonna be the people that look like you in the story. And so women often kind of got left to the side. Even when you have the story of the feeding of the 5,000, I I think some of the I did a children's talk on this, and um, you know, I said, how many people were at the feeding of the 5,000? Well, 5,000. And I said, Well, you know, the the 5,000 doesn't count the children or the women. It the the lesson is about 5,000 men plus women and children. So it makes the story even more amazing. It does the idea that the loaves and fishes could feed all these people, but we so often in society women didn't count. And that can't be the way going forward. Women always have to count.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I completely agree. And people are gonna be and have been throwing out some scripture um to essentially not agree with that statement that you've just said that women count. Um, the most famous, I think, being 1 Timothy 2 12, where it says, I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man. What do we do with this, Chris, when people come at us with this sort of scripture?
SPEAKER_02:Boy, that's a and that's the one they they punch you in the nose with it and they think, Oh, I I've got a gotcha scripture. Yeah, I can throw this scripture at you. But um, let me let me have a stab at it. I think with that passage of scripture, like so many others, I think it's reckless to just take it on face value and not really look at what Paul is actually saying. And then to consider who Paul was and is when we read that scripture. I think it's important to have a contextual understanding, cultural setting of that scripture, and a broader biblical witness of what uh God says about women in general. So um, I bet you you may not have known this, but Paul was actually writing to young Timothy, this young, eager beaver pastor um who wanted to serve God, and he was in a city called Ephesus. And Ephesus was kind of overtaken by the cult of Artemis. And in the cult of Artemis, women held uh very dominant religious roles. So you have this context where this scripture is being written to uh Timothy in a letter, and he is living and working in a society where there's this dominant culture with the cult of Artemis. And so some scholars would argue that Paul was addressing the specific issues of disorder or false teaching in that particular context.
SPEAKER_03:Okay.
SPEAKER_02:And so 1 Timothy 2 may reflect a temporary corrective for a local problem and not just a universal ban. So again, some people say, wait a minute, you can't do that. It's you know, it's the word of God. But he is not saying um that this is a global prescription for everybody that women should not. He actually wrote, I do not permit. He he basically says it's a personal and situational um command that he makes in his letter. So I think that's important to say this is not a global ban uh of women exercising leadership. This is a particular letter written to a particular person in a particular context. So that's the first thing. So when someone hits you with that scripture, you say, Well, do you really think Paul was saying no women anywhere in the world? Or is he talking about the people in Ephesus? So the second thing is um, I guess you could say there's a linguistic nuance to that particular text. And the Greek word used at the end of that scripture for authority, authority, um, for women shall not have authority over men, is authentine, which um it's it's a rare occurrence that you see this particular Greek word in the New Testament because it implies abusive authority, not healthy leadership. So when Paul is saying this, he's actually rejecting authoritarian control. He's not saying women can't be in servant leadership roles, he's basically um saying that women cannot be domineering over men and abusive in a in a relationship, which would be true for anybody. Again, in the context of Ephesus, it makes a whole lot of sense that if you've got women who are abusing the this cult of Artemis, then you've got a problem. And he's speaking to that. If you look at other places in the New Testament, the word exu exuitia, which is another Greek word for authority, um, which is is different, and and um it's used elsewhere in scripture, and I think it's really interesting that Paul uses um a word that um speaks to domineering abusive authority rather than just authority, like being in charge of the church. So, again, those are two things which I would suggest undermine in a way your ability to just kind of have a blanket ban of all women in in the church. And so um you know many churches interpret first Timothy two as a call for order and humility and not a call to exclude women. Yeah um it's a warning against false teaching, it's not a ban of women's voices, I don't think, and you know, a con a contextual instruction, um not a timeless command. So you basically have an instruction from Paul to Timothy in the context of the church in Ephesus, and I don't think we should just extrapolate that out and say, because Paul said this to Timothy, suddenly Sarah Millali cannot be Archbishop of Canterbury. And I I think that's kind of reckless and it's also dishonest. It is um because you know the Bible tells us that there is neither male nor female, you're all one in Christ Jesus in Galatians 3, 28. That's a I mean, it's a fantastic statement of equality between men and women. And um, you know, I I just find that uh it's it bothers me so much when people proof text things and they have ideas and then they just take they take texts out of the Bible like bricks and they throw them at people. Yeah, ah, I've got a good one, whack, and they hit you with it, and then you they don't realize that you're strong enough to catch the brick, unpack the brick, and then hand it back to them and say, you know, really, this brick lacks any weight, it it doesn't have anything that's going to harm me. Um, in fact, it's gonna be a weight that you have to carry on your shoulders until you finally realize that this is not the way God intended for you to use the Bible.
SPEAKER_01:Absolutely. That's so helpful just to have that little uh deeper insight in into that scripture. Um, I'd also love for us to be able to look at healing through leadership, particularly when we're thinking about women as well, but obviously we're not favoritizing, but um it's been described that Bishop Sarah's leadership style is through listening and healing and unity, which is probably why we get so excited about it as well. Um I wonder as well, I mean, her nursing background um must have it's like when you've come to come and brought stuff to us at the Healing Academy, Chris, with a lot of your background, you have opened up the concept, I would say, of Christian healing and the healing ministry of Jesus, even more so. I wonder if she will be able to help the country, the church see some of that as well through some of her background.
SPEAKER_02:Yes. I there will be people, uh make no mistake, there will be lots and lots of people who will say, This is the end, this is the breaking point, it's the crossing of the Rubicon, it it you know, it's yet another moment where people will go left or right. And it's the nature of humanity and the the endeavor of humans to hold on to religion. And and there will be lots of people who probably bail on on religion altogether because they just see people fighting and arguing. Um, I I really think that um this is a pivotal moment in history that we're we're living in quite an exciting time, and uh, and I don't see the dread in that. I think in some ways you just have to say, go and find Christ and and walk with him and fall in love with God, and the trappings of of institutional religion, if they're not for you, then you know, okay, but find community, find love and find a place where you can be planted and grow. And um, you know, the what what's the the Carl Jung, you know, I did Jungian psychology uh when I was doing um uh chaplaincy work. And uh one of my favorite quotes was thinking is difficult, and that's why most people choose to judge. And uh Jung was quite wise in in that way, because I think sometimes if you if you put the judging book on the shelf and you take the thinking book off the shelf, it it means that you have to really do a lot more introspection and you have to ask yourself, you know, what is it that's going on in me that is um feeling kind of out of kilter with the way things are happening in the in the world? Why is the idea of a woman being in charge of a Christian denomination, why does that threaten me? And it we really should stop and ask that question. What what what's going on inside of me that makes me think that that feels threatening? It shouldn't be a threat. Um maybe it's an opportunity for for you to grow and deepen your own understanding of of God. You know, I I used to joke with with uh folks who who get all excited about gender and the divine, and and um you know they said, Well, it's God has been a man since the beginning, since the creation in Genesis. And and and I always laugh and I say, well, you know, the Hebrew word in the Old Testament in Genesis in creation, the spirit of God that created the world is the word ruach. I don't know if you've ever heard the word ruach before, but ruach is an ancient word for the spirit, kind of like the Holy Spirit, but Ruach is actually grammatically feminine. So in the Old Testament, in Hebrew, God is referred to with feminine terms.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And so, you know, when people get all excited about women and men and gender and all this stuff, I say, go go deeper, go deeper, deeper. And then you get to a place where gender really doesn't matter. You know, God was the first non-binary uh being, you know, to come before humanity because God is neither male nor female, you know. Um, and we're supposed to embody that in our walk with him.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, absolutely. And um there's a quote from Bishop Sarah saying that um washing feet has shaped my Christian vocation as a nurse and a priest and a bishop.
SPEAKER_02:How wonderful is that.
SPEAKER_01:That I mean, that really tells you a lot about her character and her heart, um, and that embodiment of Christ as well. That that makes me quite excited seeing that.
SPEAKER_02:So give us a call to action. Give it I want you to give us the battle charge. Um, tell us what we need to be doing. Uh give me a three-pointer. What should we be doing over the coming weeks?
SPEAKER_01:I think the first thing, um, yeah, you're right, over these coming weeks, because this is also fresh, isn't it? Is um encourage women, like the women you know, the women we know uh in ministry to lead boldly. Um you know, I I think you said earlier in this, uh Chris, that they love me, they love all of me, or you know, that you can come into the ministry and and have that boldness that you are loved and you can lead. Um, the second thing would be to invite listeners, you guys, people that you might share this podcast with, um, to reflect on your own calling. Maybe you've been encouraged to explore leadership, Christian leadership. Um, I think it's really easy, especially when people come at us with these scriptures, say you can't do this, to put it in a box and not not look at it again.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, I can't, I can't. I'm just a woman. You say, wait a minute, you're a woman? Holy cow, why didn't you tell me? You could absolutely do this.
SPEAKER_01:That's so good, yes. And then the thought the final thing would be um, we can promote mentorship, can't we? We can um I'm just thinking, when when I was at university, we had to have a mentor. Um in it was a spiritual mentor, and it was someone that we could always go to, someone we could always battle things through with and talk through things. We could pray together. Um, we would have that community, even if it was just two of us, there was community. Um, but that's something that we can do in our church communities, can't we? We can actually go, we're gonna talk about this issue, we're gonna pray about this, we're gonna, like you said, Chris, go deeper and find out what we actually think about the scriptures that we're seeing, the lives of others that we're seeing. So I would say there are three things uh that you can do today.
SPEAKER_02:That's fantastic. That's good. That's a great uh gosh, I think that's the way we ought to sum this up today. Uh maybe I'll I'll finish with a quote I found that I really liked. Um Bishop Sarah said, I intend to be a shepherd who enables everyone's ministry and vocation to flourish, whatever our tradition. And I think that um that to me is a hopeful message which um we preached of that hope and that that unity and that possibility in the middle of St. Andrew's Church in Gothenburg, Sweden yesterday, to a church filled with young people. We had lots of children yesterday, and and the eyes just lit up when I looked at all of them and I said, God is calling you to step forward and to exercise leadership in the church. God wants you, He wants all of us. Yeah, and uh and and we we proclaim the truth from Isaiah 40. Those who hope in the Lord will renew their strength. It's just such a a truth that we not only need to speak about and write about, but we need to live that truth into a world which today, sadly, you know, the social media feeds and all the news stories will have divisive voices. You'll have voices from the farthest corners of the earth talking about how we are not being faithful to the Bible. But uh, but let us challenge that and let's be faithful to the Bible and faithful to the God of the scriptures. What does the Holy Spirit, the ruach of of life, call us to do to make this world a better place? And I, for one, am going to be cheering for the new bishop, I'm gonna be cheering for Anglicanism around the world, and I'm gonna be um probably offering to help move move boxes from one side of the river to the other.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, I love it, I love it. Well, that's brilliant, and uh we must not forget to tell you that on Thursday, the 9th of October, we're gonna be meeting for more discussion around this crisis in the world. And the big thing we really were looking at at the Academy last weekend of how do we pray in these moments of crisis? How do we pray for healing in these moments? So join us on Thursday, October the 9th from 7 p.m. on Zoom. All the info's on our website. Also, just wanted to say thank you so much for those of you who have made donations to Acorn over this weekend um that make it possible for us to keep bringing these resources that you're listening to.
SPEAKER_02:So much. That's great. So we'll see you on Thursday. We'll we'll have an interactive chin wag and uh and we'll talk a bit more, and and I I really want to hear other people's stories from um how they've endured crisis and how they've found hope and faith in the midst of all the troubles in the world. And I'm sure we'll talk about uh bishops and women and all sorts of things like that. So until next time, like, follow, subscribe! Let's go to the roller coasters in Sweden.
